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ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby cold beer » 5 years 7 months ago (Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:53 am)

I've occasionally seen mention made of ww1 atrocity propaganda which draw a parallel to holocaust atrocities.
I'm interested in assembling a collection, in this thread, of stories or even just quotes refering to the use similar atrocity stories during ww1, the most valuable would be sourced from newspaper articles, books and/or comments from historians.
I've read one or two of these stories on the Ministry of Truth website and I'm curious to see how many other examples forum members might know of.

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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby Landulf » 5 years 7 months ago (Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:30 pm)


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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby hermod » 5 years 7 months ago (Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:13 pm)

- Gas chambers in Serbia: hermod @ Kind of funny clip from The Three Stooges

- Bayoneted babies in Belgium:

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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article ... rm=belgian

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article ... rm=belgian

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- Mutilated children in Belgium, especially hands cut off in order to prevent them from holding weapons

- Breast of Belgian women cut off

- Crucified people, especially Canadian soldiers:

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http://shrineodreams.wordpress.com/2013 ... -soldiers/

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article ... 7C*ignore*

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- Soap and other products (pig food, lubricants, etc) made of human dead bodies in "corpse factories":

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kadaververwertungsanstalt

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v01/v01p121_Ponsonby.html

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article ... erm=corpse

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article ... erm=corpse

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article ... erm=corpse

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article ... erm=corpse

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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article ... erm=corpse

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article ... erm=corpse

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article ... erm=corpse

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article ... erm=corpse

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article ... erm=corpse

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article ... erm=corpse

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article ... erm=corpse

In December 1925, British Foreign Secretary Austen Chamberlain admitted the story of human soap and "corpse factories" was a lie and he said he hoped that false report wouldn't be revived again. :lol:

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In 1941, the Nazis mocked British atrocity propoganda and published a booklet reminding the British lies of WW1.

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http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blog ... c601c4503d

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http://www.vlib.us/wwi/resources/archiv ... sonby.html
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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby cold beer » 5 years 7 months ago (Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:12 am)

Landulf wrote:Here is a good one... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk

Thanks for posting, I really like the dry humor in the narration.

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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby cold beer » 5 years 7 months ago (Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:22 am)

hermod wrote:- Gas chambers in Serbia: hermod @ Kind of funny clip from The Three Stooges

- Bayoneted babies in Belgium: .............

Excellent !
You've come through it again, this is exactly the type of material I was referring to.
I wish there were other free services equivalent to Trove.
These articles are a tremendous resource for anyone looking to make this point in a video, and I hope at some point someone does because it's very persuasive in my opinion.

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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby hermod » 5 years 7 months ago (Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:01 am)

cold beer wrote:These articles are a tremendous resource for anyone looking to make this point in a video, and I hope at some point someone does because it's very persuasive in my opinion.


My opinion too. Totally devastating for the classical "How can some people even think that someone could have invented all those atrocities? Pfff. Conspiracy theory."

If someone decided to make a video of that WW1 atrocity propaganda, I would suggest him/her to combine it with old "six million" allegations, old Zionist "Final Solutions of the Jewish Question" (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t847182/) and an alleged extermination plan of Germany's Jews blamed on Hitler even before he had written Mein Kampf (see below). The whole Holocaust narrative had already been invented even before the outbreak of WW2 (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1001392/).

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The Jewish Criterion, December 1922 (!) - http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blog ... -jews.html
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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby cold beer » 5 years 7 months ago (Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:06 am)

hermod wrote:In December 1925, British Foreign Secretary Austen Chamberlain admitted the story of human soap and "corpse factories" was a lie and he said he hoped that false report wouldn't be revived again. :lol:

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Hermod please provide the source for this quote.

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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby cold beer » 5 years 7 months ago (Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:16 am)

hermod wrote:
cold beer wrote:These articles are a tremendous resource for anyone looking to make this point in a video, and I hope at some point someone does because it's very persuasive in my opinion.


My opinion too. Totally devastating for the classical "How can some people even think that someone could have invented all those atrocities? Pfff. Conspiracy theory."

If someone decided to make a video of that WW1 atrocity propaganda, I would suggest him/her to combine it with old "six million" allegations, old Zionist "Final Solutions of the Jewish Question" (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t847182/) and an alleged extermination plan of Germany's Jews blamed on Hitler even before he had written Mein Kampf (see below). The whole Holocaust narrative had already been invented even before the outbreak of WW2 (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1001392/).

The term "Final Solution" is enough by itself to convince most people of the holocaust and Hitler's intentions to exterminate the Jews , nothing could sound more ominous.
If it didn't sound so unrealistic for them to devise it so far in advance I would be 100% convinced that the choice of words was carefully calculated, not to say that I have dismissed that possibility.

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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby hermod » 5 years 7 months ago (Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:18 pm)

cold beer wrote:
hermod wrote:In December 1925, British Foreign Secretary Austen Chamberlain admitted the story of human soap and "corpse factories" was a lie and he said he hoped that false report wouldn't be revived again. :lol:

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Hermod please provide the source for this quote.


"Falsehood in War-time" by Arthur Ponsonby (http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blog ... e85b7515ba).


cold beer wrote:The term "Final Solution" is enough by itself to convince most people of the holocaust and Hitler's intentions to exterminate the Jews , nothing could sound more ominous.
If it didn't sound so unrealistic for them to devise it so far in advance I would be 100% convinced that the choice of words was carefully calculated, not to say that I have dismissed that possibility.


The term "Final Solution" only implies something definitive, i.e. settling the Jewish question once and for all. It implies nothing murderous. Prominent Zionists, including Theodore Herzl himself, didn't mean they wanted to kill Jews when they used the term "Final Solution". And hardly anybody claims the Nazis meant they wanted to kill Germany's Jews when they used that term as early as in 1933.

The legal measures that have just been issued by the government are cleansing actions that adroitly respond to Judah’s declaration of war. Primarily, the laws provide a direction in which to move. One should not underestimate the significance of these laws. The entire people will be educated about the Jewish Question and will come to understand that a people’s community is a community of blood. For the first time, they will be reached by racial thinking and will be focused not on theoretical solutions to the Jewish Question, but rather on a real solution.

Nevertheless, these temporary measures cannot be a final solution to the Jewish Question

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All proposals that include a permanent presence, a permanent regulation of the Jews in Germany, do not solve the Jewish Question, for they do not eliminate the Jews from Germany (denn sie lösen die Juden nicht von Deutschland). And that is what we want to do. If the Jews are able to exploit their host peoples forever, they will remain a constant source of the open, destructive flame of Bolshevism, making it easy to repeatedly kindle it again, not to mention the political uncertainties resulting from disunity within the people and the danger to racial unity. Let us swear off such thinking forever, whether it results from poor thinking or evil intentions. To summarize, the state can and must focus on systematical elimination, on emigration.

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If we support Zionist plans and attempt an international solution by establishing a homeland for the Jews, we will be able to solve the Jewish Question not only in Germany, but in Europe and the entire world. The entire world has an interest in such a solution, on eliminating this source of disorder, which constantly proceeds from Bolshevism. We must establish that clearly.

- Dr. Achim Gercke, “Die Lösung der Judenfrage” (The Solution of the Jewish Question), Nazi Party’s theoretical journal Nationalsozialistische Monatshefte, Heft 38 (May 1933), pp. 195-197

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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby cold beer » 5 years 7 months ago (Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:47 am)

hermod wrote:The term "Final Solution" only implies something definitive, i.e. settling the Jewish question once and for all. It implies nothing murderous. Prominent Zionists, including Theodore Herzl himself, didn't mean they wanted to kill Jews when they used the term "Final Solution". And hardly anybody claims the Nazis meant they wanted to kill Germany's Jews when they used that term as early as in 1933.

It does when it comes to the Jews teaching their version of ww2 history.
Here's Irving Roth performing his stage act at Liberty University at the 11:50 mark he tells the audience that in the spring of 1944 Germany and the Hungarian Nazis decide it's time for the Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary and proceed to ship them off the Auschwitz where the Jews see flames coming out of the chimneys as they step off of the train.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHuJLy9_4yw

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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby Mortimer » 5 years 7 months ago (Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:53 am)

As hermod has pointed out the Central powers of world war one were accused of gassing people as pointed out in an article by Robert Faurisson back in 1991. http://codoh.com/library/document/2332
These accusations were rehashed against the Axis for world war two.
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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby borjastick » 5 years 7 months ago (Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:45 am)

Cold beer so let's post some responses on the video then. Let's speak our mind and ask for proof and facts to back up these emotive and corruptive claims. Poor young students brainwashed and lied to. Enough to make one's flesh creep.
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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby cold beer » 5 years 7 months ago (Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:51 am)

borjastick wrote:Cold beer so let's post some responses on the video then. Let's speak our mind and ask for proof and facts to back up these emotive and corruptive claims. Poor young students brainwashed and lied to. Enough to make one's flesh creep.


Here's Irving Roth in another video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baBIuoRWUUU
(To your point he says (paraphrasing) that his target audience is students.)

At the 1:45 mark he 'teaches' them about the Avian Conference, he tells them 38 nations "already in 1938" are looking at the problem of "immigration and refugees"*

He generalizes the issue.
He avoids any mention of the term Final Solution.
And he attempts to set the late 30's as the time frame for when it all started.

To me it's clear that they're engaging in an attempted rewrite on the origin and meaning of the Final Solution.
In fact I thought it was commonly accepted that this is what the intent is.

In other words the Avain Conference is an emergency meeting to avoid the coming holocaust, it fails, then Hitler implements the Final Solution.

* (possibly looking to suggest an association to current immigration issues...let them all in, you don't want another holocaust on your conscious)
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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby cold beer » 5 years 7 months ago (Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:00 am)

Mortimer wrote:As hermod has pointed out the Central powers of world war one were accused of gassing people as pointed out in an article by Robert Faurisson back in 1991. http://codoh.com/library/document/2332
These accusations were rehashed against the Axis for world war two.


That is an excellent example of WW1 propaganda , thank you for posting it.

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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby hermod » 5 years 7 months ago (Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:19 am)

cold beer wrote:
hermod wrote:The term "Final Solution" only implies something definitive, i.e. settling the Jewish question once and for all. It implies nothing murderous. Prominent Zionists, including Theodore Herzl himself, didn't mean they wanted to kill Jews when they used the term "Final Solution". And hardly anybody claims the Nazis meant they wanted to kill Germany's Jews when they used that term as early as in 1933.

It does when it comes to the Jews teaching their version of ww2 history.


I know that. That was also the distorted term they had put in Hoess' mouth at Nuremberg.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANEYUQ22VSE

"The Führer has ordered the final solution of the Jewish question." And with those words, Hoess was supposed to understand that the term "Final solution of the Jewish Question" didn't mean emigration and expelling anymore, but mass gassings and cremations. As if the Nazis were unable to find a name for their (alleged) new operation and they were only able to recycle a 50 year-old Zionist term by altering its previous meaning. What a joke!



Here's Irving Roth performing his stage act at Liberty University at the 11:50 mark he tells the audience that in the spring of 1944 Germany and the Hungarian Nazis decide it's time for the Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary and proceed to ship them off the Auschwitz where the Jews see flames coming out of the chimneys as they step off of the train.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHuJLy9_4yw


There was a war on. The Hungarian Jews who were deported were needed for labor. Even the website of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum concedes that over 100,000 Hungarian Jews were used for labor at Auschwitz and and that some of them were transferred to other camps within weeks of their arrival.

USHMM:
Between late April and early July 1944, approximately 440,000 Hungarian Jews were deported, around 426,000 of them to Auschwitz. The SS sent approximately 320,000 of them directly to the gas chambers in Auschwitz-Birkenau and deployed approximately 110,000 at forced labor in the Auschwitz concentration camp complex. The SS authorities transferred many of these Hungarian Jewish forced laborers within weeks of their arrival in Auschwitz to other concentration camps in Germany and Austria.


Some Hungarian Jews were sent from Auschwitz-Birkenau to Landsberg am Lech to work on construction of underground factories in the eleven Kaufering subcamps of Dachau. Others were sent to the Mauthausen concentration camp in Austria and its sub-camps where they worked in German aircraft factories. Others were sent to the Stutthof camp near Danzig, and then to several hundred factories in the Baltic region. Others were sent to Theresienstadt, Belsen, and probably other camps.

Just to say Auschwitz was not a final destination as many people think and transfers from there to other places, often without any registration, were far from being rare. Auschwitz, at the former "Corner of the Three Empires" (Prussian, Russian and Austro-Hungarian empires), was a major railway hub long before WW2 and it was still a major railway hub during WW2.

When railroad lines were built in the 19th century, the little town of Auschwitz, at the junction of three empires, became the crossroads of Europe. There were 44 train lines coming into Auschwitz, making it at one time a larger railroad hub than Penn Station in New York City.

It was because Auschwitz was such an important railroad junction that a camp for migrant workers was built in a suburb of the town in 1916; seasonal farm workers from all over Europe were sent from Auschwitz to the large German estates. The migrant worker camp, with its beautiful brick barracks buildings, was the place that eventually became the Auschwitz I concentration camp.

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Most of Silesia was annexed to the German state of Prussia in 1742, except for four duchies. The duchy of Auschwitz was annexed to Galicia, a province which was given to Austria when Poland lost its independence in 1772 and the country was divided between Russia, Prussia and Austria. Western Galicia soon became known as The Corner of Three Empires: Russia, Prussia and Austria. The town known as Auschwitz, or Oswiecim or Oshpitzin, became a prime location for Jewish traders or merchants during the time that Galicia was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire.

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Auschwitz ... nau01.html
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