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Holocaust Revisionism: The Truth (VIDEO) Thomas Dalton, PhD

Postby NLH » 5 years 1 month ago (Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:54 am)

I am just about to watch this, but did a search on this board and cannot find it posted anywhere else so thought it might be of some interest. I will comment on it soon.

It was originally posted here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li4o4JCW0To%20 but this link appears to now be private. This video was posted to the FMA264 channel (as on the video itself). Here is a cached version: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=uk

For those that do not know, Thomas Dalton, PhD, is the author of Debating the Holocaust: A New Look at Both Sides - 2009 (you can buy the new 2015 edition here: http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=32). He is a professor of humanities at an American university. Some of his writings can be found here: http://inconvenienthistory.com/columnis ... dalton.php . You can contact Prof. Dalton here: http://www.debatingtheholocaust.com (site registered by Michael Santomauro). A discussion of Dalton's book can be found here: http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... o-and.html, here: http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... ltons.html and endorsed by a Jewish blog here: https://jewamongyou.wordpress.com/2010/ ... holocaust/ but more discussion on the book itself can be found here: Amazon's New Book: DEBATING THE HOLOCAUST: A New Look At.... and here: Interview: DEBATING THE HOLOCAUST: A New Look At Both Sides

This thread is solely about the video. To discuss the book see both of the CODOH links above.

Here is the actual video with the original description.


On the traditional view, the Holocaust was the deliberate murder of some 6 million Jews by the Nazi regime during World War II. Hitler's intention all along was to kill the Jews, and many died in specially-constructed gas chambers. The corpses were burned in crematoriums, and the ashes scattered. Some of the most infamous extermination camps—Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzec—were completely dismantled and have all but vanished, as have the remains of the victims.

Revisionists believe, on the other hand, that there was never an intention to kill the Jews; rather, the Nazis simply wanted them out of Germany. They believe that there were no homicidal gas chambers, and that the number of Jews who died during the war, from all causes, comes to less than 1 million—and perhaps only 500,000 or so.

Traditionalists call revisionists "Holocaust deniers," because, they say, the revisionists deny that the Holocaust happened. But this is obviously a misleading claim. Revisionists accept that Hitler wanted a Germany free of Jews, and that he forcibly removed many of them, seized their property, and sent many others to labor camps. They also accept that Hitler knew that many Jews would die in the process. Depending on your definition, this could certainly count as a "holocaust." Revisionists do deny, however, that 6 million died, and they do deny that the Nazis constructed homicidal gas chambers. They do not deny that a tragedy happened to the Jews, nor do they deny that many thousands of them died.

SOME TROUBLING FACTS

So, how can the average person begin to check these claims, to see where the truth lies? Start with the "6 million" figure. How plausible, in general, is this number? The war in Europe ran for roughly 2,000 days (or 5½ years: Sept 1939 to April 1945). If the Germans killed 6 million Jews, then they must have averaged 3,000 per day—every day, 365 days a year, for five and a half straight years. And of coursethey also must have burned, buried, or otherwise disposed of those same 3,000 bodies per day. This fact, in itself, seems highly implausible, especially given all the other urgencies of war.

But isn't the "6 million" figure documented in hundreds of history books? The number itself is, but not the details. Given all we supposedly know about this event, one would expect that there would be a clear and concise breakdown of the number, showing roughly where, and how, 6 million died. Experts like Raul Hilberg claim that there are three main categories of deaths: camps (primarily the 6 main "death camps"), shootings, and ghettos. So, the experts should be able to show us how many died in camps, how many by shooting, and how many in the ghettos—such that the numbers add up to 6 million. But they cannot do this. The reader is invited to look at any mainstream published source for this information; it does not exist. One can find numbers individually for each camp, or each ghetto, but virtually never any total to 6 million. This strongly implies that there are serious problems with the overall picture.

Furthermore, the "6 million" number has a history that long precedes WW2. One can find various accounts of "6 million suffering Jews" as far back as the 1860s. In major newspapers like the New York Times and the Times of London we find about 2 dozen occurrences of that number in the six decadesbefore Hitler even came to power (in 1933). And it shows up another 2 dozen times before the end of the war—a miracle if it were true. This all suggests that the number was more symbolic than factual.
"Believe me, I came into Auschwitz in a much worse condition than I actually left it."
- Kitty Hart-Moxon, Jewish Holocaust Survivor.

June 1998 testimony, USC Shoah Foundation, Visual History Archive.
Part 2 - YouTube - 1:21:42

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Re: Holocaust Revisionism: The Truth (VIDEO) Thomas Dalton,

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 5 years 1 month ago (Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:06 am)

Terrible. The narration doesn't match the video at all. Footage of gore, blood from Palestinian conflict, with a narration that has nothing to do with that. I doubt Dalton had anything to do with the creation of this video. I doubt it's even his text.

Video images should enhance the text, help explain the text.

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Re: Holocaust Revisionism: The Truth (VIDEO) Thomas Dalton,

Postby k0nsl » 5 years 1 month ago (Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:48 am)

I always thought it was narrated by Anthony Lawson (R.I.P), then I kept seeing the video [narration] being attributed to Mr. Dalton. So I contacted - a year ago - Mr. Lawson and asked him if was the man who narrated it. Nope.

He told me:
Anthony Lawson wrote:No, that is certainly not my voice. Put up one of my videos “Holocaust, Hate Speech and were the Germans so Stupid”, for example, and load that one beside it, the difference will amaze you. Personally, I think that guy should not try so hard to force the bass resonance thing.


I don't have Mr. Dalton's e-mail so I couldn't contact him. Can somebody ask him if he's the maker of this video? When the video was released, sometime in 2013, if I remember the date correctly, it had no attribution whatever.

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Re: Holocaust Revisionism: The Truth (VIDEO) Thomas Dalton,

Postby NLH » 5 years 1 month ago (Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:12 am)

k0nsl wrote:I always thought it was narrated by Anthony Lawson (R.I.P), then I kept seeing the video [narration] being attributed to Mr. Dalton. So I contacted - a year ago - Mr. Lawson and asked him if was the man who narrated it. Nope.

He told me:
Anthony Lawson wrote:No, that is certainly not my voice. Put up one of my videos “Holocaust, Hate Speech and were the Germans so Stupid”, for example, and load that one beside it, the difference will amaze you. Personally, I think that guy should not try so hard to force the bass resonance thing.


I don't have Mr. Dalton's e-mail so I couldn't contact him. Can somebody ask him if he's the maker of this video? When the video was released, sometime in 2013, if I remember the date correctly, it had no attribution whatever.

Faithfully,
-k0nsl


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Re: Holocaust Revisionism: The Truth (VIDEO) Thomas Dalton,

Postby borjastick » 5 years 1 month ago (Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:20 am)

I quite like the video. It is punchy and well written. The voice is very familiar and has definitely been on other holocaust related films. Sounds like he's smoked a packet of cigs a day for twenty years. It also sounds a bit like Fred Toben.

As for the current Israel aggression footage that runs behind the V/O I can understand when some think it inappropriate but actually it makes a very strong point that the zionist jews of israel are doing to their neighbours exactly what they claim was done to them.
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Re: Holocaust Revisionism: The Truth (VIDEO) Thomas Dalton,

Postby Dresden » 5 years 1 month ago (Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:36 am)

The narrator of the video is "Snordster"; his real name is Pat.....I forgot his last name.

Here is his YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/Snordster

I can't stand that creepy f%$#ing voice!
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Re: Holocaust Revisionism: The Truth (VIDEO) Thomas Dalton,

Postby NLH » 5 years 1 month ago (Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:25 am)

Steve F wrote:The narrator of the video is "Snordster"; his real name is Pat.....I forgot his last name.

Here is his YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/Snordster

I can't stand that creepy f%$#ing voice!


Thank you Steve F. It is Patrick Willis: http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Snordster and http://www.veteranstoday.com/author/snordster/

I actually like the narration.
"Believe me, I came into Auschwitz in a much worse condition than I actually left it."
- Kitty Hart-Moxon, Jewish Holocaust Survivor.

June 1998 testimony, USC Shoah Foundation, Visual History Archive.
Part 2 - YouTube - 1:21:42


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