Did the Two A-Bombs on Japan Save US Lives?

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Did the Two A-Bombs on Japan Save US Lives?

Postby Hannover » 3 years 4 months ago (Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:57 am)

That's the excuse given for dropping not one, but two atomic bombs on Japan, Hiroshima & Nagasaki, both civilian sites.
Considering that the final terms of surrender were the same as before the bombs were dropped I suggest that using the A-bombs did nothing to save Allied lives and were war crimes on a massive scale.

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Re: Did the Two A-Bombs on Japan Save US Lives?

Postby LYZ » 3 years 4 months ago (Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:15 pm)

I agree too. Obviously this is a controversial topic, but I think that the bomb *wasn't* to save lives, but rather as a form of propaganda directed at the Soviets to force a better deal at the bargaining table, while the maps were in the process of being redrawn.
Bear in mind that after the Soviet forces declared a surprise war on Japan despite their agreement to a ceasefire until 1946 (Stalin agreed at the Yalta conference that he would invade Japan 'two or three months after the fall of Germany), and invaded Sakhalin, it was estimated that it they would invade Hokkaido (Japan's northern island) within just two weeks, while a U.S. invasion onto Japanese soil would be delayed for months.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/
Accepting the Japanese surrender to the U.S. (which was already being discussed) was the only way to avert a potentially Soviet Japan, and was the sensible choice in a military sense.

Interestingly, the people most responsible *didn't* believe that the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were necessary in a strategic sense. They saw it as a political decision, rather than a military one: http://www.sott.net/article/296044-The-Soviet-Union-was-the-ultimate-target-of-the-nuclear-attack-on-Japan-during-WWII

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Re: Did the Two A-Bombs on Japan Save US Lives?

Postby Mortimer » 3 years 3 months ago (Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:50 am)

The decision to drop the A-bombs rested with US president Harry Truman as he was Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces - http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... ruman.html
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Re: Did the Two A-Bombs on Japan Save US Lives?

Postby Mortimer » 1 year 2 months ago (Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:14 am)

The head of US armed forces in the Pacific Douglas MacArthur stated that the use of the atomic bombs was not necessary as the Japanese had stated they were already willing to surrender. The head of US armed forces in Europe Dwight Eisenhower also let it be known that it was not necessary to use this weapon. The claim that it was used to save American lives is a lie -
http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/2/1/1913
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Re: Did the Two A-Bombs on Japan Save US Lives?

Postby Pacifist » 1 year 2 months ago (Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:51 pm)

The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a horrible crime. Wars are always horrible and there is nothing exciting or glorious about them, ever, and this case shows the hypocrisy of humanity, how a diabolical massacre has been declared as "justified" by many people only because it has been committed by the "winning side".

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Re: Did the Two A-Bombs on Japan Save US Lives?

Postby Mortimer » 1 year 1 week ago (Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:18 am)

James Perloff reviews the book Atomic Bomb Secrets by David J Dionisi. Some interesting facts are revealed :
1. The claim that the atomic bombings were meant as a show of force to deter Stalin's plans of communist expansion are false as both the Roosevelt and Truman administrations had shipped both blueprints and materials for making atomic weapons to the Soviet Union.
2. Nagasaki had the largest Christian population in Japan and the atomic bomb was detonated directly over Urakami cathedral.
3. Freemasonry was banned in Japan in the 1930s. Roosevelt and Truman were both high ranking masons - was this a payback ?
https://jamesperloff.com/2016/09/09/boo ... b-secrets/
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Re: Did the Two A-Bombs on Japan Save US Lives?

Postby Mortimer » 3 months 1 week ago (Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:58 pm)

Was Hiroshima Necessary ? is an article by Mark Weber. The author came to the conclusion that it was not. This opinion piece originally appeared in the Journal of Historical Review in May/June 1997.
https://codoh.com/library/document/2673/
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Re: Did the Two A-Bombs on Japan Save US Lives?

Postby Mortimer » 1 month 1 week ago (Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:44 pm)

A review of 2 books on the subject - Racing For The Bomb : General Leslie Groves The Indispensable Man by Robert Norris and The Decision To Use The Atomic Bomb by Gar Alperovitz. From the article - "In March 1945 MacArthur sent Lt Gen George Kenney the head of his air forces to Washington to brief the Joint Chiefs on the situation in the Pacific. In a long talk with Chief of Staff Gen George Marshall on March 16 Kenney argued that Japan had lost its air power, its navy and merchant marine and that there was no longer any necessity to wait for an end to the war in Europe or for the Russians to enter the Pacific war before moving toward a surrender" and "It was quite evident from a study of the context of the messages that the Japanese realised further resistance was futile and were willing to grant any concessions to halt the war providing the Emperor remained as the spiritual head of the country Kenney wrote".
The US war against Japan started with the lie of the "unprovoked" attack at Pearl Harbor - http://www.cwporter.com/japanwas.htm - and ended with a lie that the atomic bombs were necessary to end the conflict.
https://larouchepub.com/other/2002/revi ... shima.html
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